Darshan
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of DarshanTalks. I'm your host Darshan Kulkarni. It's my mission to help you trust the products you depend on. And as part of that, it's actually part of education. It's part of learning. And we're going to have a person who's going to help us today, understand what that looks like, and how we actually get the books we we depend on. So as you know, I'm an attorney, I'm a pharmacist, I advise companies with FDA regulated products. So if you think about drugs, Wonder buy devices or obsess over pharmacy. This is a podcast for you. I do have to specify I'm an attorney, but I'm not giving you legal advice. I am a pharmacist, I'm not giving you clinical advice. And our guest today is a publisher, but they're not giving you publishing advice either. I do these video podcasts was there a lot of fun, because I find myself learning something new every single time. But it would it would be nice to know if someone's actually listening. So if you like what you hear, please like leave a comment, please subscribe. If you like what our guest is talking about. Please feel free to reach out to her. And I'm going to put out her information as well. Please share this podcast, this live stream with people who might be interested. If you want to find me, you can reach out to DarshanTalks on Twitter, or just go to our website at DarshanTalks calm. today's podcast, this podcast is with a friend. She She and I have been talking she is amazingly gifted in publishing she is someone I have come to depend on. She is also and it's not something she had in her bio, but she's also a leadership coach. And, and is incredibly smart about sort of helping you focus on the things that matter. So so if you are in pharma, if you are a pharmacist, if you are in leadership, you should care about today's discussion. Our guest for today is is a pharmacist, publishing professional, career coach, medical writer, editor, home chef and a D AI advocate. And we're going to talk a little bit about what dti means, because for some people, this is what they do for a living and for other people. They're going I have no idea what that means. So this is going to be a really, really cool conversation. Our guests today Dr. Nasir are to not How are you?
Janan
I'm doing well. How are you?
Darshan
I am excited to be here. We already have people excited to have you on. We've got Maria saying Woohoo, john. So and we've got Augustine saying that, like everyone's excited to have you on. So so thank you for coming on.
Janan
Thanks for having me. Thanks for convincing me to do this. I'm excited to chat with you about whatever comes up today. Yeah,
Darshan
so you know, let's talk a little bit about just what this means when I called your publishing professional. Talk to me a little bit about what that means. Like, obviously, there are a million different ways to publish. What have you worked on? What are what is the interesting part of what's going on in the world right now?
Janan
Oh, my God. Okay, so first, I guess Let me explain who I am based on what you said and why publishing makes sense. I prior to last month, I was working at the American Pharmacists Association, in the publishing division, and the books and digital publishing division. So I worked there for over seven years and amazing part of my life, the books behind me, and let's see what I can point at. The the ones like from that part to that part, are all during my time that I was publishing so around over 20 textbooks that I had some sort of role in publishing, for pharmacists. So it was either for pharmacists, technicians, new practitioners, faculty, and I got to help make people's dreams come true. They would come to a PHA with a book idea. Maybe they come, you know, somewhat of a PHA and then they'd meet us and my amazing past team, I miss you all very much. I know some of you're listening. So we work together and it start with an idea and these pharmacists, these awesome people that I've worked with, would walk away maybe a year or two years later with a published book. So I had a really unique pharmacy experience to have that job, but I loved it very much. I can't hear you anymore. Have
Darshan
To quote our guests are to quote Megan Smith. What? That's amazing, john, and I actually have to agree with her. So I am super, super excited to have you on because we get to talk a little bit about this. You've been part of 20 textbooks. So let's let's start talking about how you make these dreams come true. So when you talk about textbooks, the first thing that comes to mind is how do you choose which textbook textbooks get published. When when is the topic too broad was Topic to narrow what is the topic timing not the right thing. How do you decide that make that decision?
Janan
Yeah, that's a great question. That's something that we would you have a strategy in any publisher, which we'll talk about, I'm sure later that what I want to do, even though I don't work in that publishing job, I am trying to start an open a nonprofit publishing press. But that's for another time to answer your question about textbooks, and how do you decide or any kind of book, first of all, there has to be a strategy. And of course, strategies need to align with the mission and vision of wherever you are the publishing house. So in a PHA there was we did have a really beautiful mission statement related to making sure that we created resources that would, you know, find a way to meet the learners where they needed to be a lot of times we decided between print, and actually making a book digital on our platform. And I say our I don't work there anymore, but the pharmacy library calm. And, you know, you're learning now that the behaviors of consumers and pharmacists, and everyone is changing a lot part due to COVID. And then just in general publishing, publishing is changing. And that books in print textbooks and things like that, people don't really buy that anymore, or I mean, I can admit prior to joining a PHA I had roommates back in pharmacy school, and maybe we would buy one coffee and you know, share it whenever needed. So that's one of the examples of the way that print books the way it used to be maybe 1015 years ago, specifically with text books are declining. And pharmacists these days, oh, did we lose Darshan? Okay, pharmacists these days are, you know, finding ways to get information in other ways. For example, the access to information on websites like up to date or even quick Google searching or nowadays, see companies which I now work for one, I work for no fully learning group and the CM e o division. And at CMU Oh, there are there, there's ways to basically get continuing medical and pharmacy and healthcare practitioner education out there to pharmacists, doctors, nurses, everyone. And the education is free, because those are grant funded. And grant funded, usually by pharma. And just going back to my bio, you said a lot of things about me, thank you. Those are a lot of titles. But really, I'm just lucky to have had all of those positions and roles. And right now just to speak to the writing. That's why I call myself a medical writer. I do grant writing and a medical resource manager at CME Oh, now, I know I completely went on, but does that it's about following strategy. So the strategy was my global pub book publishing, a publication house is going to have a completely different strategy related to getting books and about people around the world authentic sources to people around the world as well.
Darshan
So it's interesting, you talk about this, right? You talk about this idea that you're, you came from a knowledge base around health. And and you and I have had multiple discussions about this offline, about how health is a core component of what you're going to be focusing on, as you continue with your path. So when you make some of the decisions you made, he said, our strategy based How do you even begin developing that strategy? And he, you start off by saying, you know what, here's a need, and I'm gonna try to meet the need, or is it better to go, I will create the need, because there's there's complete lack of education on what this actually means. And how do you sort of begin to explore that?
Janan
That's even better question. Getting back to the topic at hand related to acquisitions, you're basically saying, how do you decide what to acquire for a business or any entity? And what I said, like so you know, how do you decide do you create the need, or do you see what people say? And I think it's a little bit of both and actually Darshan and that's how you and I met, you're on one of our I was leading a focus group, and I didn't lead it I was listening in. So I didn't do much talking. But it was about cannabis. and wondering whether a PHA should start publishing publishing resources about medical cannabis. And you know, you were there. And there were a lot of other amazing thought leaders that that joined and you gave a lot of great suggestions because that's one of those. Not yet do we know if there's a real need and maybe a percentage of people that we do do surveys, a PHA and other places I've worked there's a lot of market research involved knowing trying tough to get the pulse on. What do people want specifically asking questions? What kind of books do you think would you buy? How much would you pay? I mean, we really were trying, because of that concern about people not wanting to buy books anymore, we need to decide, is it even worth publishing? So I would say times have changed with publishing, maybe before it was a little more based on here's what we think the needs are. And then, as I've, you know, evolved as the Senior Director of the book department, I thought it was really, really important to know, a little bit of both, you know, to kind of balance, where do people want us to go? What are the up and coming topics? Because then that's how you can be innovative, and a pioneer and a leader.
Darshan
So that's actually a great point, right? You're talking about doing this market research? And as you're doing this market research, have you found audio books sort of taking a bigger role? If so, do I see a future? Where my textbook is an audio? Or are there different types of learners who need different modalities? And how does that play out?
Janan
Absolutely. So that's a great question. I have tried to follow up with the data and the research on this because I prior to getting my job, my amazing job at a PHA at UNC I did a fellowship and educational technology, research and development, that's a fancy way of saying, at the time, I had a farm D they needed someone to kind of go between these actual experts, which were our faculty, and, you know, the students and the people who would create these materials. And what I say what I mean by materials, I mean, we at UNC during my fellowship created what I ended up doing more extensively later in my life at a PHA, but a digital platform, a digital platform where maybe if you're trying to learn biostatistics, instead of having to go to a textbook and read, I helped work with a professor and we created a module we created videos, I got to do some voiceover, some editing, and I've worked with graphic designers, illustrators, instructional designers to learn it's that whole idea of how do people learn? So you're right, there are absolutely different learning modalities. And interestingly enough, a lot of the places Oh, Larissa is where I've worked with her and so you're the best to you were the instructional designer that taught me what is an instructional designer to their the people that are the go between between Einstein and the student that's reading the fine science book, somebody to translate this complicated thing. And so the result can come in multiple formats. Maybe it's some things are meant to be a textbook, maybe something would be better to be a video for five minutes, maybe something should be Tick Tock and I will learn it because I'm so tired from work, that I only have 30 seconds or less than three minutes to learn something. So Laura, you're absolutely right. dipiro on audio is something that they do, you're listening, you should do it now a PHA when I helped create pharmacotherapy first which is existing, and you guys should check it out. It is the How do you get the information you need to know when you need it? cliffsnotes version of pharmacotherapy. So again, shouting out to all the people that I've worked with, to help make that come true. that exists trying to see that you know, 100 pages of chronic kidney disease, can we just watch a video then? And then don't why reinvent the wheel? Can we just go to YouTube, and find a really well done video that the NIH did or something and learn it from their reputable resources and getting all that together? So yeah,
Darshan
so it sounds and Jonathan sort of highlighting this, this idea, as are you you're talking about this multiple format approach. I've written books, and I've written book chapters, and my experience is that you're spending so much time writing these books out. It's a lot, it's very resource heavy. But at least it's finite. On the other hand, when you start using multiple formats, like video and audio, it's really difficult to start splicing things out and adding new videos, you almost need to start from scratch every single time for the other format, compared to a written format. So how is budget in a major concern? Or do you find you get a much bigger audience and therefore it becomes easier to pull people in?
Janan
That's the question of the day, you know, ROI, how do you prove the return on investment? And that's something that anybody who's going into this world saying, I think videos and all of these are a great idea. Of course, it's a great idea. Of course, people may even watch it, but are they the big question is, are they willing enough to watch it to choose that over print or to choose that Your product that has all these multiple formats over something they can hobbled together without paying. So people will love things, there's a difference between loving something, and actually investing in it. Right? So
Darshan
100%? So are there surveys out there have you got when you work? At your last job? Are there surveys that you conducted that asked that question? And what made them if you did, what made them? unclear? Because obviously, you guys haven't gone down that path. But it's something you've explored, because it's an issue that keeps coming up. So where were you? How did that sort of play itself out?
Janan
Yeah, shout out to the editorial advisory board, that's a member, there's like, I think, at least six people from different forms of, and places in pharmacy, whether it's a student pharmacist, new practitioner, someone working in pharma, someone working in hospital, clinical academia, and we would, you know, have intensive meetings with them at the annual meeting, and thereafter to kind of discuss, okay, here's the reality. What do you all think? What do you all can you ask the people that you work with, a lot of times authors would come with a very clear vision of how something should be? And so, you know, you have to make those public decisions of do we do we go that direction? Because that's what the author knows is right? Do we take the direction that we know the business needs to go? I mean, there's a lot of decisions need to be made. And that is part Yes, the editorial advisory board, and then the group that I worked with, and books in digital publishing, we've made those kinds of decisions. But of course, it always ends up of what, you know, senior leaders and others want. So those are good questions, I think that there's really exciting place that education is going and the most exciting thing is we learn the most from what K through 12 is doing and what they're going through K through 12. Education, it's kind of like the testing ground and what we what you know, when educational what I learned so far, an educational theory, and all of that is that our brains, the way we learn the way we, you know, will retain information, you can test it on younger kids and apply it in higher education. There are pedagogy conferences and all this for all that, and they talk about that, yeah, you can apply those theories and and actually, you know, it works. And I was involved at UNC where I was Adam Persky was one of the thought leaders as well, who would, you know, think about these things? How do how do students learn? So he actually tested I think, my class have a mascot, and he an online version to learn pharmacokinetics and the other half got a like a spiral bound, notebook type kind of thing. And, yeah, it's it's really interesting the results, sometimes it's good. I'm not saying technology is the answer. Sometimes it's good. And sometimes it's not. But again, it's a lot toddler discover in on Earth.
Darshan
But that's the interesting part, right? It's someone like you who's actually been in the publishing space, who's asked these questions. And sometimes the answer isn't the only answer. But it was the right answer for you at that moment, which is where the educational experience comes in. But one of the things you said two different things that I really want to explore the first thing you said, was that you ask the author's, which I think sounds great in concept, but I've been the author and I'm kind of going I'm 20 years out of pharmacy school, I'm 15 years out of law school. Am I the right person to ask how learners learn today? I mean, I still continue to teach. And, and I'm a visiting professor, I think still at the University of the sciences, and I'm going to be teaching at Drexel law, starting sorry about my dog starting very quickly. But But the point is, I'm teaching what I'm comfortable with, not necessarily how the student needs to learn, I need to always actively remember that I need to put myself in their shoes. So is it always the best practice to be asking older old Fuddy duddies like myself? I don't know if people use that term anymore. But But what is the right path? Or should you be asking the audience on the other hand, there's there is I forget that there was a saying I remember which is it. Henry Ford said that if you ask people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses. So how do you make that decision of is this faster horses? Or do we need to cater to the audience?
Janan
Great question. So I'm going to ask you depending on the book, who is the fuddy duddy if the fuddy duddy is the audience, then 100% I need to know what you know. So except for example, if you are told me Gentlemen, I Really want to publish a book? That is for pharmacists that are lawyers too. And so then at that point, it would make 100% sense for me to say, Okay, what would you want? What would your friends want? What would the target audience one? And yes, I say, shoot for the moon, for everything, like, let's Dream, dream big, and let's dream the best. And then let's look at reality. You know, if you dream and you know, the the craziest, it could be it, let's budget for that. And then say, okay, it's easier to have a long list and break and cut things off. You've heard that in writing, it's also with lists, it's easier to cross things off than to later get somewhere where you're like, Oh, I wish this really would have been cool if we had this like, part where I talked to my friends that are both lawyers and pharmacist and we have a conversation in the middle of this book. JOHN, can you do that? And of course, if we talked about it in the beginning, I would have said, yeah, we just add a QR code, and we'd budget for this. But if you figure that out later, it doesn't. It's not as easy. So um, yeah, I think you're right, absolutely the answer of what do you publish these days, it's what the audience is going to buy. But the audience differs for a PHA was, is our audience, you know, students? Well, then the answer is still not what do the students want? You know who you have to ask the teachers? Yeah, because there's the ones who's gonna assign it. So it's still you got to please all audiences, and then it's not just what the faculty wants? Will the school the administrator, maybe it's the librarian that's responsible for allocating budgets that year? Will they want your products? That's the question you have to ask.
Darshan
This was just so so interesting. I'm going to ask the next question, which is so interesting to me, again, it's this idea that you're testing this in younger students and, and younger kids, K through 12, if you will, and I know you're doing some work in that space. So hopefully, we'll get to that today. But I have a feeling there's just so much to explore here. Well, we'll have to bite. We have to eat the elephant one bite at a time. But talking about younger kids, um, one of the things you mentioned was the idea of Tick tock, do I see a future where I'm being taught infectious diseases in 32nd? bites by Tick Tock?
Janan
People are doing it, people are doing it, the company that I worked for again, see me Oh, you can look put that up. klg. Shout out to those who came from there. You know, they're talking about I was just on a conversation yesterday about launching the TIC Tock page. And I thought it was a joke, but it's real. And I think that's amazing. You've got different demographics of people we have, as I mentioned, now, I have not practiced in pharmacy. I'm not a doctor, but I know people who are who is who are like, they're working so hard during the day, it's what I mentioned earlier, do you want to then have to watch a CEA that's like, an hour long and then take notes and have to answer questions? Or is there another way to deliver that see, through a podcast through a short video through an Instagram takeover through a podcast like we're doing right now. That's what the smart companies are doing? And that's what I'm seeing. And it's really exciting. It's very cool. I think that there's a future for that. Maybe not for you. But maybe for those the generation that and maybe not for me, I'm too old for Tick tock, they say, but I'm familiar with it. And if someone sends me something cool, I watch it. I love it. I watch it again. I save it. I mean, I love it. So yeah.
Darshan
I mean, I'm almost wondering if there's gonna be a future where my, my book chapter is taught, and then I get into clubhouse and have a conversation with the author about what that book chapter was learning infectious diseases from the purakh. I don't know if the bear teaches it, but whatever he does, could be mind blowing to realize you have access to the author in a, in a completely different way.
Janan
Yeah, you just brought up something that literally relates to my dream, earlier as far as children's publishing, but I've learned the world is so small, especially because of the pandemic. You know, we are able and then and that is talking about micro learning. Absolutely. Micro learning is so relevant and the ability to connect with someone, whether they're around the world, whether they're celebrity, whether they're you know, Professor, it is more accessible now because people can just walk out, turn on their webcam, they don't have to change out of their pajama bottoms and then talk to you, you know, and yes, we really need a way that we can bring so my dream is a Sheetal Sheetal Sheth, we talked about her. My daughter and I read one of her books, she just published a book series called undulates, published by mango and marigold press and I look I really look up to that press because they're focusing on South Asian writers. And I've met other publishers all through social media in my free time, literally after between before having to pick up the kids from school. Or when I wake up in the morning early before everyone else, I'm on Instagram. And I'm learning through hashtags. I'm connecting I this podcast that we have had zero and that's called Salaam storytime, if anyone wants to check it out. That's Lena, my five year old daughter's idea of finding a way to spend more time with me. And we've succeeded. We've we are, it's on anywhere you listen to podcasts. But what are we doing with Salon storytime? And why do we have salon storytime? It's a way to bring kids together to learn that kids around the world, regardless of any disability, your skin color, your age, your height, no matter what, you are important, you deserve to be seen. You deserve to have stories written about you, by people like you, you know, so authentic voices, our voices, We Need Diverse Books, these are actually just quoting hashtags, which is why sounds silly. But these are all true statements. And it's those kinds of hashtags that I'm using to find people. And so since we launched the podcast in July with zero marketing dollars, and just my experience of how to use audio, remember, I mentioned I did voiceovers. When I was in pharmacy at UNC. Using those skills. I edited the podcast, we added some music from free websites. And it's been listened to it over 14 countries just because of Instagram and the internet. Because the world is small. I really believe that.
Darshan
It was just so so cool. I'm sorry, I keep coming back to just micro learning as we're talking about it. The past has always been I remember going to pharmacy school and and the whole argument was textbooks are so expensive. Right? I'm wondering if the future is textbooks are free? Because it's going to be in these different micro learning formats you pay for is a subscription to it. Absolutely. Yeah. But is is that something that's been taken seriously? Or is that disruptive, and people are not willing to take the chance to go down that path.
Janan
So there are people that are doing this, there are companies I met someone really exciting. I don't know if you know him, Scott. Nelson, I don't know how to pronounce his last name, KJ e L. S. O n. He works for a company I think it's called. I forget the name, but it's adaptive learning for textbooks is translating your textbook into different modalities to meet the different learners where they need to be. So it's not I mean, there are several companies already doing that. That's Instructional Technology instructional design. It I think that is the future. And you know, what we have learned is that learners aren't just one kind, like, you can't just say I only learn things, when I draw them or when I see them. We're all a little bit of everything. And there's a lot of research and I'm not an expert, but I think that that is a great future where you can see that you get the textbook, or you you purchase or you have this free Yeah, the core something like maybe it's an outline. And then you can choose and maybe it is the same thing in multiple formats, just because that's how you learn. You learn first when you you know read it, and you understand it, but to actually you know, blooms level of taxonomy, how do you actually apply? How can you synthesize information? And you know, those words, those terms? I'm sure you're aware, like, how do we really you know, when you're doing you have your CES? How are we meeting those learning objective goals? Those are the questions. And I think people are trying to be creative and how they deliver that material. And that's the future.
Darshan
This is such a conversation. But But the truth is, as you know, I aim this to be about 15 to 20 minutes, we have a double that time. Okay, it's so fun talking to you, and there's so much information you have. So before we continue, we do have to say a couple of different things. So first of all, john, just to remind everyone how can people reach you?
Janan
Yeah, so I'm I'm starting this global nonprofit I am putting out into the world. And global bookshelves is the name reach me at this email address global bookshelves@gmail.com I have a virtual assistant helping me. I you can follow me on LinkedIn. And message me there. I'll try to get back to you. I love Oh, thanks, Laura for helping spread the word. I love how organically things are growing. And I think and I'm actually doing a speech for another group called giving back to pharmacy in Pakistan, which I met from someone who connected to me on LinkedIn, but I'm doing a talk there in September. On The value of making meaningful connections like What does networking really mean? I've, maybe it's because I'm a mom of three little girls, the pandemic didn't really change much for me. I was always just, you know, we were home, you can't I'm very voyeuristic and watching as my sister in law and other, you know, amazing people are traveling the world, I can't do that. I'm home. And so what it did was just helped me realize that you have to cultivate these connections, the internet, our phones, but then do it with a balance, because I think, going too extreme either way, you have to have some disconnection, you have to have time with books, you have to have time to, to make sure you know how to make meaningful connections with the people in front of you, too.
Darshan
Thank you for that. Um, you know, as you know, I'm going to ask you a few different questions. My first question to you is based on what we've discussed, what would you like to ask the audience?
Janan
What have you read lately, that's inspired you What have you? Yeah, that's my question you can answer. We're just what do you like to read? What do you enjoy reading? Those are my big questions.
Darshan
So I try to answer my first question. I tried to answer the question, just get everyone going. But I just landed up, so I don't read as much because I literally do that for a living. So I try to listen to audio books. And I just listened to the Martian again, which, which is really, really cool. I love the idea of science being based in a story format, we didn't really wish more more readers would go down on more writers would go down and more authors would go down. But But to me, that was a really fun format sort of pulled me into the conversation. They talked about, obviously, all this different science and this this physics and and I'd say probably about 95% of it went completely over my head. But just the idea of that, you can think through these, these huge problems in bite size format, really inspired me and then talking about bite size solutions, and then realizing that their bite size, ways of giving that information like you just discussed was was really, really interesting to me. So So thank you. So that would be my answer. If other people have answers here, here's one. Jonathan Littell comes back with $100 startup by Chris guillebeau, I guess. I don't know how to pronounce the last name. But that's another one. So thank you, Jonathan. And I think that's kind of interesting. Here's another question for you. Based on the last base, there we go. We have another one. Jessie's responded, Claire on the sun. So that's kind of interesting as well. Um, love to sort of explore why each of these so obviously Jonathan's more in, in the startup mode by firing the sun I expect is more of a leisurely Lee read, I expect. So it's always fun to to sort of explore what people are going through right now. Um, so my question for you, is based on the last month, what's something you've learned that you'd like to share with the audience?
Janan
Something I've learned, okay, so it's interesting, Jesse just spoke, Jesse told me a story. I worked with him. And he told me a story about his The one thing his mom made him do every day, that maybe I don't know if he loved it at the time, but it's the one advice that he appreciates. And what Jesse's mom made him do every day was read. And I got inspired by Jesse, he told me the story when my youngest one was younger, or my oldest one was younger. And I was like, yeah, we have to read every day. And so it's a ritual of our family, to pick books off the shelf and read before bedtime. And what I learned that's not I didn't learn that in the last month, what I learned in the last month is that there's a nonprofit organization called read aloud. And they said that if you read to a child from birth, until like, forever, whenever is your end of having a child 15 minutes a day, it will increase their knowledge, it will increase their vocabulary, vocabulary, it's free reading is free. What's the one thing we can do every day and so I already kind of knew that. But what I didn't know and I want to share with you all is that I didn't know I was going to be able to say that I think you need to read every day but you need to read books that help you learn about who you are and you delete read books about other people as well. That's the thing that I really learned. Yeah,
Darshan
so what I really have realized then is I need to really focus more of my reading on Real Housewives of Orange County, because I really need to bone up on my my pop culture references. So
Janan
it doesn't mean read some you can read the back of a cereal box you can read a magazine that's when I say like reading I know a lot of people and Thanks federa for your response. They're they're quoting like awesome books which are really amazing. Make it stick is a really good one. I Do a lot of in my spare time I do read a lot of like productivity books, but then I also have cookbooks that I'll just stare at, and get inspired and turn and read actually, and there's cookbooks with stories these days that are coming out that so when I say read, it doesn't mean like 15 minutes. It's kind of like an apple a day keeps the doctor away. Read we should come up with a rhyme that sounds like the apple one. But reading at least 15 minutes about anything actually, finding something that's fun to read, will just make you so much happier, smarter. Read, that's my takeaway.
Darshan
It's funny you say that because you talked about this idea of and you sort of briefly glanced at I'm not even 100% sure you actually intended to say it. But you talked about combining storytelling with cooking and what I don't follow those blogs almost ever, but I will I will say that I've always heard that people are now complaining when when the food recipe blogs start off with Oh yeah, a story of the top and they're just going don't give me the story. Just give me the recipe.
Janan
Right? Yeah, I mean that can so and again, I would put that maybe in a QR code. So if you really wanted to read that you can go online. No, I'm kidding. Yes, that is a that is a pet peeve of mine too with internet recipes. Actually a pro tip I just learned because I had to submit some recipes for something recently. The pro tip is when you go to those blogs where you have to go forever typically at the top there's a little button that says jump to recipe click that next time click that you can bypass the story it'll take you right to the box where the ingredients and the steps are
Darshan
which is really cool if ever even heard of that um so as you know the last question I'm going to ask you is what is something that made you happy in the last week
Janan
okay, I So when do you go to Target Do you like Target
Darshan
I do at said that in Facebook marketplace but yes,
Janan
target gets me every time so we went as a family that was our outing we don't travel we go to Target when you have three kids five and under target is a it's an adventure and a getaway but we were at the dollar spot and we bought this like in the $1 section this pot that said you know it had seeds and everything and so the next day we did an activity with the girls of like Let's plant this and talk about seeds and kindness and all that tried to make it fun. And this morning before because they were the girls were helping me make the shelves put the colors back where they were they're hoping and they saw something they saw this plants that the pot and then Lena looked inside and I took a picture of it because it made me so happy. What had nothing in it. I don't know if you can see it. Oh can you see? Oh, okay it's there's there's sprouts there's green little Yep, but it bloom so that made me happy. But you know, they were like there's nothing there and, and there was so excited to see that something we did like a week ago, with a little water and a little love it. Something happened. So I just love that I think I just you know, kind of think about that quote, which have, you know, you never know plant seeds Be kind to people. You never know how it may come back. I'm seeing it now. I did all these random things in my life. And we talked about this, like, what's your Why? What's your purpose? I'm still not exactly sure. But I have this feeling now that all the random things the the fact that I liked photography and the fact that I liked, you know, doing all these random things related to book publishing, and I'm a pharmacist well now I want to create this global publishing press that brings people together for healthcare for because there's cultural sensitivities, their children so they can know that we all regardless of how tall we are, what cloth we wear, we have the same feelings inside we need the same things, which is belongingness love, you know, and then the last one food so you mentioned food, I love food, we can bring together people with food too.
Darshan
So two, totally, totally awesome. And that's such a great way to end this. Obviously, john, we would love to have you back because that was a lot of fun. For those people who missed it, you can actually reach out to john at global bookshelves@gmail.com and did and this was amazing. So um, thank you everyone for participating. It was amazing to have you guys on. I hope you guys come back again. We are going to have john again if she's open to it. So so we would be very excited to not if you consider coming back.
Janan
Thank you that would be that'd be great. Thank you.
Janan
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